tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8604973112865316634.post2963416551440248595..comments2023-05-15T07:29:55.403-07:00Comments on Fiddler's Edge: Blue Balls and Adverse Possession Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8604973112865316634.post-68609532588921656262014-02-26T05:22:56.019-08:002014-02-26T05:22:56.019-08:00AP seems like it has the potential to be an awesom...AP seems like it has the potential to be an awesome mechanic now in these post B-R days.<br />I can't wait to get my hands on the potentially overextended goon home defense squads that are suddenly forced to protect their renter empire or lose it. <br />On the other hand, if they rely on their renters to defend their sov against barbarians as per the current renters contract ( https://docs.google.com/document/d/1csAFPQRTgOLFMfhofzw-ckqHcTl6jUQzlW4Lybaj-Jo/edit ), I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy killing them as well:)<br /><br />If nothing else, there should be more explosions closer to home for the larger alliances. This should make lots of people happy.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12877078630688500316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8604973112865316634.post-8964995539444459172014-02-20T23:55:03.437-08:002014-02-20T23:55:03.437-08:00What mord said basically, I roam in the north regu...What mord said basically, I roam in the north regularly and while goons (and often razor too) respond to your presence, FA/EXE/FCON/LAWN are a different story.<br /><br />Not to mention that the most valuable space PvE wise is often held by renters who very rarely lift a finger. I bet those renters would actually get pretty annoyed if the SOV they paid for gets eroded away. The overlords might actually even have to show up and come help the pubbies.<br />Think of TEST's current Delve campaign in that light, Adverse Possession would be a godsend to them.Kaeda Maxwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13954843678698092456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8604973112865316634.post-87543148184640252982014-02-20T17:35:26.360-08:002014-02-20T17:35:26.360-08:00Goonswarm is good enough to thrive under most mech...Goonswarm is good enough to thrive under most mechanics and their population density and active defense of their space is exactly what's wanted under AP. <br /><br />However, the rest of the blue doughnut is a different story. And anything Goonswarm takes using AP, has to be defended in the same manner as Deklein. The further that model is extended, the more porous it gets. <br /><br />Mord Fiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01734756410122516725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8604973112865316634.post-61849155438835214982014-02-20T15:02:06.753-08:002014-02-20T15:02:06.753-08:00Yep, my point being is that they have the numbers,...Yep, my point being is that they have the numbers, will, and dedication to both hold their own and hold someone else's at the same time. Goon home space, in particular, is pretty freakin' compact and never goes unguarded (Theta Squad, et. al.).Jesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06362457304801165584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8604973112865316634.post-6148406642303574362014-02-20T14:09:38.885-08:002014-02-20T14:09:38.885-08:00First of all, at this point the Goons don't ne...First of all, at this point the Goons don't need to do any such thing. They merely drop in with an overwhelming supercap fleet. They now control the largest concentration of supercaps in the game and, to a large extent, the means of supercapital production. Expect to see them ratchet down that second bolt more in the next year.<br /><br />Adverse Possession would take away the virtual invulnerability to sov attack enjoyed by CFC regions. I'm sure the Goons will leverage the mechanic, but it will be a door that swings both ways instead of just one, which is the case today.<br /><br />Secondly, flipping a system using Adverse Posession should only be easy if the locals don't actively defend over time. As I said, the goal is more PvP. Adverse Posession means you can't spread you population thinly over a large territory and expect to hold that space. Attacked systems must be garrisoned and protected until the bad guys go away. Mord Fiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01734756410122516725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8604973112865316634.post-25373202329454053572014-02-20T12:13:29.357-08:002014-02-20T12:13:29.357-08:00What you propose would have been fun and entertain...What you propose would have been fun and entertaining had it been implemented in 2011 or 2012. In 2014, it's a quaint idea that won't gain any traction. Goons would send ten guys each into every N3 system and renter system, hang out for a month, and conquer it that way all at the same time.<br /><br />The target groups for this mechanic simply don't exist any more. I say this as a member of one of them.Jesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06362457304801165584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8604973112865316634.post-6239051182006902232014-02-20T09:31:27.396-08:002014-02-20T09:31:27.396-08:00The system upgrade mechanic collects a number of s...The system upgrade mechanic collects a number of system metrics - mainly ratting and mining numbers as I recall. <br /><br />Hypothetically the same mechanic could be used to assign credit for system utilization to the alliance doing the utilizing. One possible tipping point could be when a system upgrade is achieved by an alliance other than the sov holder. <br /><br />Mord Fiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01734756410122516725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8604973112865316634.post-43667918358842989732014-02-20T09:16:53.898-08:002014-02-20T09:16:53.898-08:00I love the concept, it might create a playstyle st...I love the concept, it might create a playstyle stepping stone for high- and low-sec organisations to dip their toe. It's very Viking too: turn up, smash stuff, clear off... or maybe stick around and see what else might happen. That basically describes what the Vikings did to Britain, Normandy (and likely many other places) during the Dark Ages.<br /><br />Do you have any specific ideas on the definition and mechanics of this 'tipping point' you mention? I've grasped what would happen after that, but how would that crossroads come about?Mat Westhorpehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08553980835026556794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8604973112865316634.post-52708552641956517872014-02-20T08:24:17.364-08:002014-02-20T08:24:17.364-08:00For reasons beyond me, several comments did not di...For reasons beyond me, several comments did not display when published and have disappeared from the website altogether. I've consolidated those comments here, and apologize to their authors for the mix-up. <br /><br />Kaeda Maxwell at 6:38 this morning: <br /><br />"I like your Adverse Possession idea. Staying long enough to ransom a system wouldn't be my personal cup-of-tea, but I'm fairly sure there are entities in lowsec who would not be adverse to this." <br /><br />Lord Zarak at 6:46 this morning: <br /><br />"I do expect that the new areas will have some kind of different sov system (or no sov like WHs) as CCP thrives on fights. If nullsec is pacified there will be no B-Rs, 6VDTs, etc to put EVE in the mainstream news.<br /><br />A supercap ban is not enough however as at this point the CFC can field more bodies in subcaps than the rest of New Eden combined."<br /><br />Rixx Javix at 6:30 this morning:<br /><br />"I really wish you'd keep your grubby little hands out of my journal Mord!! Luckily for you, you seem to have missed the passages written in invisible ink. While I can neither confirm nor deny any information, suffice to say I don't typically amass a growing, active, extremely powerful pirate group without certain long-term goals in mind.<br /><br />'Nuff said. "Mord Fiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01734756410122516725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8604973112865316634.post-46752368918920336582014-02-20T07:09:13.276-08:002014-02-20T07:09:13.276-08:00I really like ideas like this. I'm a huge prop...I really like ideas like this. I'm a huge proponent of game play that allows smaller entities the power to actually effect the day to day life of null sec residents. This is an interesting take on the idea, and one I'd generally be in favor of if it was announced.Psianh Auvyanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13257866471563922191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8604973112865316634.post-66810196210895791522014-02-20T06:19:01.057-08:002014-02-20T06:19:01.057-08:00Sensible, and based on how real life works (sort o...Sensible, and based on how real life works (sort of). <br /><br />Add it to the list of "maybes" I suppose. As long as we keep feeding CCP reasonable ideas, the odds of them choosing something we can get behind keep going up.<br /><br />Speaking of such a list, have you had a chance to read El Digin's proposal Mord? I would like to hear your thoughts on it, or at least a "3 years after implementation" hypothetical. It seems to have a fair amount of support, while being a fairly comprehensive rework of null.ahobowithwifihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01104308503836353490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8604973112865316634.post-196554529593568422014-02-20T00:11:12.533-08:002014-02-20T00:11:12.533-08:00More comments for you:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Ev...More comments for you:<br /><br />http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1yf5qh/blue_balls_and_adverse_possession_sovereignty/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8604973112865316634.post-9000940927240841322014-02-19T19:49:46.378-08:002014-02-19T19:49:46.378-08:00Null sec feels wierd, it feels that the CFC have e...Null sec feels wierd, it feels that the CFC have essentially won now. I know there's some hold-outs and some of their allies (BL, Rus, PL) are probably mere allies of convenience but the CFC's system of blueballs with diplomacy trumps the people who might threaten them. Someone like BL and PL need a constant stream of kills so if they get blueballed by the CFC they just pick on someone less careful. (My old alliance, Test, was something of a highwater mark for flinging ships at elite pvpers with careless abandon).<br /><br />Eve is a sandbox and I don't know how much can be done if the kids in the sand insist other kids play cooperatively and gang up on rogues.<br /><br />Possibly there's hope in CCP Seagull's new zones, presumably she'll have the basic common sense to make them impossible to dominate by supers (or else 3-5 years of Eve development is just a free gift to Goons).Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8604973112865316634.post-35341640392051825832014-02-19T16:38:23.929-08:002014-02-19T16:38:23.929-08:00How about letting sov holders add a new upgrade to...How about letting sov holders add a new upgrade to their iHub that causes mining ships to spawn in the asteroid belts of the system and deliver their takings to the iHub. If people came by and shot these mining rats they could steal the minerals but if the sov holders defended them they'd get to keep them.<br /><br />For that matter it might improve moon mining (in terms of small scale PVP) if the moon goo had to spend a bit of time being vulnerable in transit (perhaps in a rat freighter) from the moon to the POS. That way you could fully interdict a mining POS if you were prepared to hang around near it in a frigate or cruiser all day.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18173488811613483839noreply@blogger.com